I’ll just state from the outset… I am opposed to the creation of Police and Crime Commissioners. As with the case of City Mayors, they are an attempt to resolve some real issues with a solution which is no solution at all, and unlike City Mayors the PCCs are being foisted upon us without people even being offered a choice (more bloody ‘localism’?).
Here in the West Midlands we are fortunate to have a Labour candidate for Police and Crime Commissioner who doesn’t want to be a US-style Robocop, thinks the position itself is unnecessary, and has committeed himself to trying to do the best he can under the circumstances where we are forced to elect them. Bob Jones is a Black Country Councillor (yes, believe it or not, there are people in this region who do not think everything is really just Greater Birmingham) and he has a longstanding commitment to policing across the whole of our region.
Here, from the excellent Top of the Cops I reproduce Bob Jones’ candidate statement which includes a promise if elected to establish community-led Local Policing boards which will establish local policing priorities and be engaged in local police commander appointments.
Bob Jones
Experience
Member West Midlands Police Authority 1986-present; Chair 1995-2000;
Currently Chair of Finance Committee
• National Chair Association of Police Authorities 2005-2009, serving the maximum term of 4 years (elected with cross party and independent support)
• Founder member The National Policing Board and Police Counter Terrorism Board, chairing the National Policing Board Committee with responsibility for Neighbourhood Policing.
• Member Stephen Lawrence Steering Group
• Member National Criminal Justice Board
• Previously Chair Wolverhampton Community Safety Partnership and Cabinet Member for Community SafetyIntegrity
I opposed the Tory led Government’s legislation to Americanise British policing as in the wrong hands the traditions of British policing could be seriously undermined. The British police service has a proud tradition of being part of the Community and applying the rule of law impartially to all parts of our society.
A single individual risks both the appearance and possible reality that our Police services are accountable to particular vested interests rather than the wider community.
I am committed to protecting British policing’s proud traditions and seeking to build on them rather than undermine them.
Ability
Labour has a strong record of investing in our police service and partner agencies resulting in record reductions in crime.
Two areas I was particularly proud to play a key role in was the roll out of Neighbourhood Policing and the implementation of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 which brought together all partners in the fight to reduce crime. A neighbourhood free from crime and fear of crime is an essential basis for any regeneration of that community both economically and socially.
Commitment
To continuing to build on Labour’s achievements I will
• introduce community-led Local Policing boards which will establish local policing priorities and be engaged in local police commander appointments
• retain the PCSOs that have proved invaluable eyes and ears for professional officers
• seek to bring police contact points into council and other community buildings
• use the platform of Commissioner to highlight the appalling financial settlement the Tory-led Government has given the West Midlands Police, where our cuts are 3 times as high per capita as leafy low crime areas such as Surrey
• live and work in the West Midlands. Apart from a short period at University I have always lived in the West Midlands conurbation. I believe I am fully in touch with the needs of our community and believe I am well placed to serve them.
Hi Bob; Spot on with your comment about Police Commissioners, hope your candidate gets the vote, but with a c.v. like that I don’t think I am far wrong in saying that the Sun and the rest of the wolf-pack + the local hacks will be going for the jugular. As you correctly state the Mayoral and Police Commissioners vote are the opposite of democratic choice, just a fig leaf for local choice to conceal central governments tightening grip on local government. At least you look like you have got a good local candidate;look how bad things could be in East Yorks. Hull and Humberside with thePeople’s candidate aka, Lord Parasite of Prescott(God, how my blood boils when I think of him in his younger days, he was to the left of Tony Benn; post Callaghan government) still I suppose he possibly needs the £100k. + salary that goes with the job now that he only has his M.P.s pension(40years of the best pension scheme in the western world) and his House of Lords signing on fees to manage on, and his state O.A.P. God forbid his area will cover South or West Yorkshire.
How’s the canvassing going for the local elections in your neck of the woods; hopefully you will boot the Tory/LibDem coalition out of control in Birmingham this year, the weather is hampering our efforts in the Rossington ward in D.M.B.C. area at the moment, but we are hopeful for Terry Wilde this year, moreso than previous years, and hopefully there will be a swing to the left in Rossington.
Fear the worst for Birminghams 2nd team after that performance at Cheats Paradise aka Old Trafford last weekend Bob. Methinks we’d best swap phonenumbers to fix a meeting for a beer and a chinwag when you come to Elland Rd next season, plus I’ll have to give you directions, and if you get chance to drop off in Doncaster, you’ll be able to swap notes with some Doncaster Rovers fans on how relegation affects a team.
Choice yet again foisted upon us. Another good thing about Bob Jones is he went to the same school as me,a year younger if I remember correctly.
You really do take some believing Bob.
All the positions are wrong but if one is Bob’s mate, then that’s ok.
Double standards or what?
Don’t be stupid all of your life.
1. Bob Jones isn’t my ‘mate’
2. Both he and myself think the positions are wrong.
3. That doesn’t mean that we can ignore them – they exist you thick sod.
Oh, I see.
So when the quest to revive the Elected Mayoral system is dared to re-enter the City of Stoke-on-Trent, after we booted it (Labour) out, then I (Gary Elsby) should enter the race and attempt to become Elected mayor of Stoke-on-Trent.
I don’t agree with the position because I’ve seen first hand (unlike everyopne else) what it actuall does and what it really intends to do with it’s unquestioned power
(it forms coalitions and subverts the democratic vote if friends disagree).
But according to your logic, In that circumstance, it is better I do it than a true believer.
Double standards.
One thing I can say for you is that the depth of your stupidity never ceases to amaze.
If the position of Mayor for Stoke on Trent is revived I frankly don’t give a twopenny toss whether you stand or not, because you are such a clown you have proved in the past would never get elected, so in that sense it is purely academical. But in such a situation I do think Labour should put up a candidate. The alternative would be to allow the Tories, BNP and whatever other bunch of ragbag idiots put up in Stoke, a free run at it? It’s a no-brainer (a concept you should be familiar with). We should oppose the creation of a Mayor, but given that it would have required the majority of those voting to say they wanted a Mayor, we could either simply ignore their wishes, or try to make the best of a position I disagree with.
Not double standards at all, and not even difficult for most people to grasp, but obviously way beyond your limited powers of comprehension.
It’s a pity you resort to abuse when in fact you should remind your readers that each time I speak or act in Stoke-on-Trent, it gains National recognition.
Even got Miliband up here on the same day as my launch (a spoiler) and given many TV intervies etc.. along with an occasional Documentary.
So, abuse aside, your changing story on the Mayor and an ‘he’ll do’ candidate still smacks of double standards.
The only answer is to publicly oppose the idea and publicly oppose the labour candidate.
You won’t do that Bob, will you, because that’s disloyal and Labour will kick your arse.
It’s called selling out one’s own principles.
I don’t call it abuse to call an idiot an idiot. (Eddie ‘the Eagle’ Edwards gets national recognition for being a first class 100% loser too, by the way. It’s known as being a total joke, and that is what you have made yourself)
I don’t have a ‘changing story on the Mayor’. That’s just your latest unsubstantiated lie. If you can ever point me to anywhere where I have ever said that if people voted to have an elected Mayor, then Labour should boycott the elections, I will pay £1000 to a charity of your choice. (Pause for long silence while Gary Elsby prepares to change the subject).
If, on the other hand, you can find no evidence to back up your latest lie, feel free to apologise…. if not, go get stuffed!
‘Man up’, Councillor, I know this will come as a shock but I disagree with you!
I doubt whether city mayors will make too much of a difference in the long run but the system has one advantage over town councils- it sharpens the focus. In London they are enjoying – er, they are enjoying it, aren’t they? – a fight between two men with very different political philosophies. Londoners will know there is a very definite choice to be made. This stands in contrast to voting (or more likely not bothering to vote at all) for an unknown councillor who you just know is under the party thumb and anyway who is unlikely to make a fart’s worth of difference to anything except the speed with which he picks up his pay and allowances!
Tell me, Councillor, when did you ever change anything important?
There is no evidence whatsoever to show turnout increases under a Mayor, so that one’s easy.
I can appreciate why a nutty English right-wing nationalist like yourself would be attracted to a Mayoral system. If a bloke dressed in a monkey suit can win in Hartlepool and a nutty English right-wing nationalist can win in Doncaster, why wouldn’t you think it is a good idea.
On your final point, for a change you say something interesting. I’d say in my case the answer is probably no, if you presumably refer to anything ‘important’ being something other than trying improve the lives and environment for people in my own neighbourhood. But I don’t think my personal position can be compared to a Mayor, you would have to be making comparisons with leaders of councils. Personally, I don’t want to run a business called the Council, I’ll leave that to others, be they Mayors, Cabinet Members or Leaders. I simply want to represent my own Ward and the people who live here, and they don’t seem too upset by that.
Gee up, you don’t half get rattled when cornered.
You oppose Elected Mayors and you oppose elected Police Chiefs.
We get that.
But then you run a ‘best of the crop’ CV for one of them.
No-one anywhere could say I would do that.
No, I’m sure no-one, including me, would say you would do that, because it is far too sensible – which is why I haven’t.
You really are intolerably thick.
You see, you numbskull, wishing we didn’t have a police commissioner is a fantastic position to adopt – if it means we don’t have one. But here in the ral world, life isn’t like that you twerp. And yes, I do get rattled, but not because I’m ‘cornered’ but because trying to get you to understand simple common sense is nigh on impossible. I lived in hope that one day you would understand basic, simple child-like logic.
Try this, stupid. If in my ward there was a choice between Gary Elsby and the BNP – the only choice – then thick as you may be, I would advise people to vote for you, not stop at home and let the fascist win. That doesn’t mean I think you of any worth whatsoever, because you are not, but it’s called making the best of a bad job (Clearly the people of Stoke thought otherwise and settled to vote for the fascist rather than allowing you to hold any sort of position).
In the same way, I don’t support police commissioners, but if it means advising people to abstain in order to assist some right-wing dipshit to get the post, I would do what I am doing and say vote for the most progressive left of centre candidate. Even a dope like you should be able to work that one out.
I’ve indulged you, but you are a waste of space and effort, just a thick Tory troll and I think I’ll just stop posting your nonsense because other than gerald, no-one who visits here thinks you are anything other than a complete tit. So bugger off to Guido with the other trolls!
Ok, I get your point.
You’d vote for me and not the BNP because you’d prefer me to the BNP even though you wish the position didn’t exist.
Now if it was me or Sandwell Labour candidate, you would still vote me?
No, you’d vote labour (cos Labour is good).
When it comes down to it Bob, you’ll fall into line regardless of the position and regardless of your detestation of the role.
Sooty and Sweep fall into line as soon as the cameras begin to roll.
I wouldn’t vote for you if the Sandwell Labour candidate was capable of stringing a sentence together, because that would mean 1. They were brighter than you. 2. They were Labour.
How can it be a question of “falling in to line” in a secret allot, you dunce. I realise Stoke is a bit of a strange place with some very strange people – they all tend to look a bit similar – but I doubt the ‘cameras roll’ in the polling stations, even there.
Now go on, trot off back to your Tory troll friends at Guido or ConservativeHome. They’ll love you there.
Er, do you gentlemen need someone to hold your coats?
(I know you’re having a hissy-fit, Bob, but don’t you dare go ‘un-publishing’ anyone otherwise I will begin to believe that you have picked up some really nasty habits from your holidays in North Korea! Incidentally, I had no idea that Stoke was such a maelstrom of political passion.)
David, whilst your contributions are without doubt completely and utterly wrong in my eyes, they are at least written in English, easy to comprehend, and logically argued. Trying to make sense of what Gary Elsby scrawls is like watching a monkey with a rubic cube.
Seeing as how you and Gerald find him so entertaining, I’ll extend the same offer to you as I did to Gerald. I’ll willingly send your e-mail details to Mr Elsby and you can have hours of uninterrupted pleasure with each other in the comfort of your own homes… Without Elsby’s gibberish being inflicted on the rest of us!
Are you happy with that? Alternatively, perhaps Stoke’s doziest (truly an accolade) would care to bore the folk over here… http://duffandnonsense.typepad.com/ I’m sure the politics are more to his liking.
(ps – never been to Korea, neither the hair shirt nor McBurger versions)
As a matter of interest Bob, can you differentiate the loyalty to their causes between Bob Piper, George Galloway and Nadine Dorries?
I take it for granted that Ed Miliband would vote Labour because he is a socialist and that David Cameron would vote Consevative because he is a Capitalist (note the small ‘s’ in the previous person).
The three named people above need an explanation though and their voting intentions revolving around mayors and Comissioners should, if integrity is inbuilt, should not veer away from any public declarations.
More gibberish. Should I be surprised?
I have no idea what the public or private views of Dorries and Galloway are with respect to Mayors, you will have to ask them yourself.
My views on Mayors or Commissioners are as publicly declared. I am opposed to the creation of Commissioners, but if a ballot is forced upon us I will vote for the Labour candidate for Commissioner. I am opposed to City Mayors, and as there is no move for a referendum in Sandwell for an elected Mayor I will not have a vote. However, if there was a public referendum to create a Mayor in Sandwell, I would argue for a ‘no’ vote in the referendum, but if the people voted to create a Mayor I would vote for the Labour candidate for Mayor.
Other than spell it out in words of one syllable I would have thought that was clear enough even for a thick bugger from Stoke. Labour councillor says he would vote Labour – hold the front page!
I’ll try again.
If Blair called for the invasion of Iraq, Bob Piper would vote ‘Labour’?
I’m trying to fathom out how a Labour Councillor, most loyal to (anything) Labour is so different from a Labour MP.
Your Leader in Sandwell requires loyalty and so does your Labour MP.
You offer differences which I call double standards.
Nice cop-out above though.
Gary, I’m not sure what Bob wrote can be called a “cop out”. If you are daft enough to join a political party you know, or you will soon enough, that there will be times when you will have to hold your nose as you vote. Government can only work on that basis. One man’s ‘loyalty’ is another man’s ‘lack of principle’. There is a balance to be struck and we, the great unwashed who wouldn’t be seen dead at a party political meeting, must watch and judge if ‘our’ politician, local or national, loses his balance. As Churchill put it with his usual wit when he rejoined the Tories, “anyone can rat once but it took a certain ingenuity to rerat!”
My point is and has always been that I fully understand the casual need for loyalty to one’s own political party of choice. More so if a membership is paid.
You may not have failed to observe that Bob feels I’m a complete traitor for defending policies of Labour that he disagreed with from the (crystal ball) outset.
Bob is particularly agrieved that I chose to join 100,000 others and walk out of Labour when I saw and witnessed at first hand the complete destruction of Labour’s ‘aims and values’ of which Mandelson’s agents claimed I have none.
Handy, very handy when your failing mate needs a shoo-in for the MP vacancy.
It’s called cheating and the rule book proved useless.
Bob believes I should have walked on any other issue to prove a real point of conscience.
I can’t think of one, not even Trident renewal, nuclear power generation.
I certainly wouldn’t walk because of Iraq (proof to the contrary never proven by opponents) and was buoyed up when Parliament actually voted on this issue.
Bob publicly promotes his cause as a good one and I rarely disagree with him but on certain things I do.
He can’t expect me to champion the Labour party when it openly cheats, but he can’t expect me to not inquire where his own conscience lies.
In the meantime I continue to undermine Labour to the best of my vast ability and consider it a public duty to remove the Labour Council in Stoke-on-Trent.
Today we celebrate the resignation of a Labour Cabinet member and further celebrate her resignation as a Councillor (uncle Ian’s top spy in Stoke).
A by-election and pass me the microphone please.
Bob is particularly agrieved that I chose to join 100,000 others and walk out of Labour…
Excuse me, but no he is not! I am not the slightest bit aggrieved about a warmongering Blairite like you walking out of the party. Bloody good riddance say I. Go join the Tories, you seem much happier with them.
…to the best of my vast ability
You really are having a laugh. In Council elections you lost a safe Labour seat to the BNP, and in the General Election you barely troubled the scorers. Vastly inflated ego and sense of self-importance, more like.
Bob, I didn’t lose a seat to the BNP, safe Labour or not.
Nobody would stand, I volunteered.
The General Election was with a few weeks notice. What a ride.
All the time in the world now to use my vast intelligence to highlight Labour’s failings (hidden agenda via Sandwell).
Not aggrieved?
All around you are ‘war mongerers’ and you are all together for the cause.
Labour wanted a war and labour got one.
You are Labour, therefore, by default,………..
I stand by my political convictions that Iraq was a necessary obligation to the UN and tortured people everywhere.
I know you have sympathy for the mass murderer and chemical Ali, but those of us in the Socialist real world (note the capital ‘S’) have to suffer weaklings and pathalogical deniers to restore order.
What is it about Chemical Ali that you are, oh so, defensive about?
Was he given the freedom of Sandwell before he was hanged and his head came off from his body (bet you haven’t heard that one).
So, you didn’t stand, and you didn’t finish second behind the BNP? Not what the Deputy Recording Officer recorded.
No, not aggrieved at all. If you want to crawl off in to your hole and shout boo, who cares. Not me, that’s for sure.
What happenned to Gary Elsby’s pledge that his “General Election campaign next time around starts tonight.” Mate of mine in Stoke says it doesn’t appear to have started yet.
No idea what the rest of your rambling is about.
You do understand that Labour had to do the right thing over Iraq, regardless of a few members around the Country.
That’s life.
Your ‘mate’ in Stoke is blind.
That might make his Fine Arts photography degree a tad difficult, and his ability to drive home on the M6.
Gary, you are absolutely insane. And I mean David Icke insane, not Margaret Thatcher insane.
I am honest and true to my core Labour values.
To some, that means I am insane.
Labour’s NEC says (and I quote) “Has no aims and values consistent with Labour”.
(A ruse to re-install Elected Mayor loyalists to the local panel)
I was then disallowed from being a candidate for Labour at any level.
The one question that still puzzles me is:
How come my “aims and values” were consistent with Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson?
How come I wrote part of the Labour agenda for 2010?
How come I was on the only member in Stoke on the Labour Parliamentary Panel?
Oh, I forgot, I was a run-away winner who consistently trashed all comers everywhere and always won ballots unanimously.
Bob can’t figure out how an insane Iraqi war monger could do this in loony left Stoke-on-Trent.
It’s a gift I have.
How come my “aims and values” were consistent with Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson?
He asks? Stop smirking at the back!
I was a run-away winner who consistently trashed all comers everywhere and always won ballots unanimously.
Errrmmmm, apart from the proper one where he fought a safe Labour seat and lost it to the fascist.
“…Loony left Stoke on Trent..”
Who said anything about “left”? What were you Gary… The Trotskyist for the War!
You really are the gift that keeps on giving. John is correct, you are certifiable.
Bob, before you unkindly took down my published newspaper letter, I informed you of what is really going on in Stoke.
I named everyone as a ballot box cheat who cheats their way to power (via sandwell).
One has just resigned as we ridiculed her and hounded her out.
And yet you say nothing is happenening as though nothing is.
Strange that.
Does anyone else have a clue what this is about? I’ve told you before, don’t comment after you’ve had ‘a lunch’.
Hi Bob; I hadn’t realised that this post was rumbling on so long and so hilariously,even Duffers presenting a couple of cameos, and, as you say, his boringly long running and banal canard that went out with the cold-war,your support and connections/holidays in North Korea.While you haven’t exactly tried to portray me as a Gary Elsby clone you have tried to make out that I am/was on a similar planet to him, if only because I had posted that I felt a certain amount of sympathy for him over his situation with the Labour Party N.E.C. and his candidacy, and subseqent removal from said situation in the general election of 2010. However, had I not realised that the N.E.C were actually correct in their action/s before now, then this little discussion/debate has certainlyproved Gary’s inadequacy/unsuitability for any public office or any position whatsoever. However, given a choice between Gary’s inane ramblings end Duffers psuedo intellectual wafflings, the proletarian in me says that while you couldn’t get a 3000 feeler between them in their postings, at least Gary has in better days given something to the Labour Movement. Btw should you be minded to give Gary my email address, there’s always the delete button.
Looks like that pint at Elland Rd is getting ever closer after Birminghams 2nd team tried to play football against Bolton the other night.
Believe me, comrade, misguided as you may be at times on anti-democratic things like AV, there is no way I would compare you with Mr Elsby (who says the drugs don’t work?). As I say, Duffy might be a right-wing eccentric but at least he does it in the English language, and whilst in the main his conclusions are
tripetrite at least I can work out what he’s trying to say.Squeaky bum time here in B6!
Bob, you informed your own blog that nothing is happening in stoke and I’m doing nothing.
In fact, you informed your blog that your mate reports nothing is happening.
Wholly wrong.
Proper Labour Party supporters (walked out of Labour) are busily removing Cabinet members and orchestrating a complete walkout of the hard core by undermining a shutting agenda of public services.
They blame Cameron and Clegg and us Socialists (note the capital ‘S’) blame our Labour friends and colleagues.
To say it isn’t working or we do nothing is wishful thinking and, to be honest, nonsense.
The usual mish-mash of clap trap and half-truths. I never ‘informed my blog’ that ‘nothing is happening in Stoke’ nor did I inform my blog that anyone else had said that either. What he said was that he’d “never heard of you other than on this blog”… which struck me as rather odd considering your general election campaign has been going for two years now (can hardly use ‘last minute’ as an excuse this time).
You live in your own fantasy world. You are a Walter Mitty….a fantasist. You need treatment, but I doubt you will seek help for your problem.
No doubt now you will go back on the juice this lunchtime and be back here with a steam of consciousness in your own confused language. But before you do, just let me tell you… I don’t care if you, or come to that the whole of Stoke-on-Trent, falls into a bloody big hole in the ground. You are an irrelevance.
My election campaign has been going on for two years?
News to me.
A by-election is due soon and, according to you, the Tories and Liberals are finished and the Eds show will steal it (austerity, incompetence and all that).
My guess is that shutting down care homes, day centres, nailing the blind and deaf, closing day centres, disabled facilities, kiddies parks and everything else this elected Mayor loving Labour Council/Cabinet will show who this electorate hates the most.
My apologies if I have got this wrong. I was relying on the evidence of a proven and established liar, so it may be wrong.
My source was a bloke called Gary Elsby who was interviewed at the count on General Election night in Stoke in 2010. He told the interviewer something along the lines of “if I lose tonight, my campaign starts after this election.”
But hey, the blokes a notorious bullshitter and liar, so perhaps I shouldn’t have believed a word the tosser said.
My apologies for using an unreliable source…
Oh, I see, I should be quiet between elections to suit those that need exposing.
My views were and remain the same.
“I’m in this election and I’ll be in the next one which will be soon”.
I had four weeks to present myself and now I have five years (now three).
If an election is called, anywhere, I’m in it.
So when does my election ‘campaign’ begin? After the last one ended (unless a part-timer).
Remember Bob, you deleted (Kim Jong Un) my letter to the press that totally undermined two Stoke MPs and two Cabinet members as being ‘stooges’, parachutes and yes men of Sandwell.
The letter was printed the other day regardless.
One resigned a few days later with no credibility.
It’s a long haul but my ‘campaign’, if you can call it that, is working.
Took a while for the drink to settle in today eh, Gary?
So, your election campaign started two years ago, and you’ve done sod all since.
Ok, case proven.
As for. The remainder. Of your twaddle, once again… Keep off the drink.
Bob; I think this article has run it’s course, thank God, and I don’t wish to seem as though I am prolonging it, but may I recommend George Galloway’s Daily Record Monday column if you or Gary need to re-align yourselves with Old Labour values; I’m sure you will find everything you need after a few weeks of reading George’s column, for the pair of you to realise the errors of your ways. Mind you, seeing as how the local election campaign seems to be going Labours way throughout the country(and according to the Observer today, it might be swinging Labour’s way in London, surely with the ecomomic crisis even affecting the more prosperous parts of London, people can see that Johnson is nothing but a dangerous reactionary Thatcherite? behind the image of a flophaired blithering buffoon, and that Labour’s and Livingston’s programme at least offers some sort of hope on transportfare’s
, school’s , policeing, and even new ideas an electricity, gas etc , with the innovative idea of co-ops)and hopefully Birmingham will reject the referendum campaign(and everywhere else for that matter) and thrash the Torie’s and Lib/Dems at the same time.
After what is, hopefully a successful local election campaign for Labour on Thursday, Gary and yourself, Bob, could turn your respective talents towards your local football teams. Birminghams 2nd team will on present form be preparing for the Champions Coca-Cola League, and in my honest and sympathetic opinion, I cant see any other result, but you never know, “It’s a funny old game” as someone once said.And Gary who knows; you could use some of your undoubted energy on trying to persuade Stoke to become a footballing team, instead of a pack of hammerthrowers, and cluggers, who always seems to get away with it from our set of overpaid, incompetent tossers, aka referees, unless of course, Stoke are playing Man Utd.
Bob; I thought I read somewhere that Salma Yacoub was standing for re-election in Birmingham, or is it that she will stand for election as Mayor if the referendum vote is a yes? Either way Birmingham will gain if Salma is putting up for election again, imho.
I don’t live in Birmingham, but as I understand it she stood down for health reasons, so I would be surprised if she stood. Personally I think she would be a fine asset to the Labour Party (unlike Elsby who was no loss at all) rather than wasting her time with the rump of the Socialist Workers Party in Respect.
I think you will find we will likely survive this year, get rid of the Bluenose, and things will look much better. It ill becomes the shitkickers from Leeds who employed the finesse of the likes of Hunter, Vinnie Jones, and the evil little thug Giles, who helped to drive away the genius that was Brian Clough because he wouldn’t stand for the Leeds cheating… to criticise the meatheads from Stoke, who after all, only reflect their City.
Let’s see who claims goal of the season and remember: “We only score from a throw-in, score from a throw in, we only score froma throw-in……”.
It’s been an open secret that Villa are going down. The secret is only revealed to invited guests every saturday.
Please, less attacks on Maragret Thatcher, that’s Norman’s friend and Bob is Norman’s friend.
Bob doesn’t think it’s right to invade Iraq……..because (wait for it) it’s not conservant with left wing politics (work that one out!)
Murdering, torturing and butchering machine too nice to invade by the brothers.
Errm, gun…foot….take aim…. Fire!
Norman Tebbit was in favour of both Thatcher/Major’s and Blair’s Gulf wars… so by your (admittedly ridiculous) reasoning, that makes him Gary Elsby’s friend. (you really couldn’t make him up)
Which other nations are you invading Gary… Zimbabwe, Sudan, Eritrea, China, Burma, Morocco, Uzbekistan, Iran (ooh, you’d like that one wouldn’t you, nasty Arab folk) Bahrain, Syria, Turkey…etc, etc or are you only going to invade the ones that are convenient? Best get your uniform on Gary.
Bob; I think I can see where you were right to consider striking Gary from this blog, but I think that he got one thing right in today’s post; and that is that Villa are going down; are you ,Bob, one of those invited guests that are parly to the secret of Villa’s
defenestration.
Unless the pubs in Stoke open a lot earlier than Gary posted that comment today, then you are 100% correct Bob, Gary has a real problem connecting with reality, to call for less attacks on Thatcher, the most viciously, reactionary, anti-working class, jumped up lower middle class Tory M.P. who was lucky enough to marry into money(not too much prying journalism or Sun scoops into her background and wartime efforts there, eh!)and then become Prime Minister, and to become the best class warrior that has been seen in post-war Britain and then try to link Bob Piper as a friend/supporter of Thatchers, due to a dubious paen of praise that Bob gave to Tebbit(another jumped up piece of petty bourgeoisie excrement that ought to have been charged for breathing) over Tebbits endorsement of the “No To A.V.” and Bob’s misguided support for Tebbit and Cameron in that campaign, and Tebbits Eurosceptic line is surely divorced from reality; in fact while it pains me to a certain extent to print/say this; I think I have to shout “Nurse, it’s time for Gary’s medication, or his strait-jacket.
Btw Gary, Bob wasn’t the only one to oppose the invasion of Iraq, I did, but unfortunately I wasn’t one of the 1,5oo,000. people marching down Whitehall(and in the process,giving your friend Bliar,and his lickspittle Campbell, among the whole establishment, the biggest fright of their shameful political lives) calling for a peaceful solution to the Iraq crisis, which Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheyney and the neo-con warmongers in the Pentagon and their slavering, slavish devotees throughout the western world, had no intention of heeding. And for you to declare yourself a supporter of, while claiming to be some sort of socialist only confirms Bob’s opinion of you as someone completely delusional.
A Labour Policy to invade Iraq, supported by Labour MPs and Labour members and little old me means I am a Conservative.
Some one help me out here!
This is just nuts.
A flagship Labour policy (page 1, number1).
To blame the Conservatives on a thirten year sabbatical is also just nuts.
AV was also a flagship promise for Labour.
Bob supports Norman and his anti Labour flagship policies.
On the juice a bit early this morning Gary, although as you have mostly written that in English, albeit your rather deformed version, I guess you haven’t had too many yet.
im a serving p.c.s.o and ill be voting for Bob Jones as he seems to be the only one who see the pivital role we do in relations tween the public and the police.we are the eyes and ears.and first point of contact for the between public and police.the majority off us are a caring and proffessional crew.you get your weak links as one gets in all organisations,Government and police included.thank god they’re a minority,we p.c.s.o’s are the Bobbies on the beat.without us out there in all weathers you’ld see no one.so in summing up it would be a crime to do away with us as we do a damned good job for very little praise.ive loved every minute of it.