YES!

Posted on October 17, 2011 by bobpiper

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21 Responses to YES!

  1. Harry Barnes says:
    October 18, 2011 at 10:19 am

    So why isn’t Labour running away with the League? It is missing open goal after open goal.

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    • bobpiper says:
      October 18, 2011 at 10:52 am

      For a couple of reasons, I would suggest, Harry. Firstly the fact that Labour in office was frequently barely distinguishable from this wretched coalition in terms of its macro-economic policies, and often on civil liberties, a damned site worse. And secondly that they are still not articulating a significantly different alternative. Hated as the Tories are, we will only attract the disaffected if we have something constructive to offer. Having said that, I have whinged for years that the Parliamentary party was left wing in opposition, and right wing in power (although it could be argued that Blair was more honest -why do those words stick in my gullet – because he was right-wing in opposition, and even more right-wing in government!).

      Also, Harry, we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that those who voted Tory are, generally speaking, getting what they voted for, so their vote is very little changed. We are picking up the votes of those who realised voting Liberal was a waste of time.

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      • Gary Elsby says:
        October 18, 2011 at 1:01 pm

        The Political press in these parts call Ed Miliband: ‘a school milk monitor’.

        The National debt is one thousnd billion and Ed Balls reckons the Tories have got it all wrong and are cutting: “Too far-too fast” and wants a “VAT cut” to solve it.
        Strewth!
        The debt is going up rapidly and not down regardless of what the Tories are doing.
        People with no hope will not vote or support no hopers into power.
        Labour’s conference was a joke and the lack of ideas is a joke also.
        Blame Blair till the cows come home and blame Brown till the dish runs away with the spoon.
        Your man Ed runs the show now and we all know where the buck stops and who is to blame.

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        • bobpiper says:
          October 18, 2011 at 1:05 pm

          (yawn) Gary, the needle’s stuck! As I say… go bore the folks on ConservativeHome… much more your natural home these days.

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          • Gary Elsby says:
            October 18, 2011 at 1:39 pm

            But you answer it yourself Bob.
            Left wing in opposition.
            Inform us of this left wing opposition as you have been informed of number 3 or 4 in the league table. Labour circa 2011 is clueless and this answers many questions.

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  2. David Duff says:
    October 18, 2011 at 10:57 am

    The fact that the Conservative party no longer exists might have something to do with it. I mean, be honest, can you really discern any major differences between ‘Noo Labour’ and the party led by the “heir to Blair”?

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  3. Brian Hughes says:
    October 18, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    One fact to cheer up every Conservative:

    Most of the means of mass communication in our little country are run by your supporters or by people who are very worried about offending your party.

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  4. Johnthestudent says:
    October 18, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Personally I think we could strike deep behind Tory lines if we came up with some bold ideas on public transport, especially the train network, because people like Peter Hitchen and other tedious right-wingers seem to associate trains with the genteel, pastoral (and imaginary) 1950s they so cherish. In fact, I know Peter Hitchens has called for renationalisation of the train network more than once. However, if we’re not going to renationalise public transport when we’re in power, can we at least break up monopolies? Travel West Midlands runs everything with scant competition and keeps jacking up prices and cutting services. Thanks a fucking lot, Thatcher/Major.

    P.S. Have you read anything by the Harlem crime writer Chester Himes? Brilliant, brilliant stuff.

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  5. Gary Elsby says:
    October 19, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Build one million new homes for Social housing needs for the five million people needing a home.
    (The official figure is two million homes).
    This would create millions of paid hours of new work (tax +NI etc).
    Hundreds of thousands of new jobs (reduce unemployment).
    Tens of thousands of apprenticeships (mandatory).
    This would be part of a new capital build of restructuring to kick start a flat wider economy and housing in particular.
    Compare this with pumping money into an economy via QE which is unproven and likened to making someone fat by buying a bigger belt.

    I wrote this as one part of my own Genral Election manifesto which took me 2 hours tops as well as 19 other economic growth ideas.
    Easy peasy.

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    • bobpiper says:
      October 19, 2011 at 10:58 am

      Yes… and build them using the Private Finance Initiative, (or you might scare away Gary’s new found financier friends) and pay three times more for them than you need to, rack up billions more in debt, and bingo! Gary has transformed into Gordon Brown!

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      • Gary Elsby says:
        October 20, 2011 at 10:09 am

        Only in your world Bob and only in your PFI loving Labour Party.

        My idea, put out to 70,000 homes, is to use the vast sums Labour (LABOUR) puts out in QE (throw money into a black hole of failed Capitalism).
        Same money Bob but with very different outcomes.

        Ps. Ed Balls wants to reduce VAT by 2.5% to solve the world economic collapse.
        Knob.

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        • bobpiper says:
          October 20, 2011 at 10:36 am

          Gary, you’re truly bloody bonkers. You argue that we couldn’t build schools in the boom year’s without PFI because we would frighten off the money markets… but we can borrow (not the same as QE which just involves printing money) billions for houses in a recession and they won’t notice.

          Once again, thank the Lord Mandelson for his intervention, it has prevented you making a tit of yourself on a national platform.

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          • Gary Elsby says:
            October 24, 2011 at 9:07 am

            What on earth are you going on about?
            The rules are simple.
            3% limit on GDP spending and this stops Countries running up massive unaffordable debt (somewhat fiscal agreements).
            The rules have been so butchered across the board that we are in crisis and new ideas are needed.
            The USA in the 1930′s showed the way but put up Nationalist barriers (as you promote in your anti EU rants).
            The aim is to better the USA by no tariffs or import taxes to free up a market in stall.
            2 million new homes are not a wishlist item and not a request. They are imperative and do the job.
            I’m not barmy Bob, I’m just way ahead of you and your party.

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            • bobpiper says:
              October 24, 2011 at 9:41 am

              I do not promote nationalist barriers, quite the opposite, in fact. The rest of this gibberish merely confirms my previous opinion. If you ever had the plot, you’ve lost it.

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  6. Johnthestudent says:
    October 19, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Another thing that irks me is that almost all of the media, and a large chunk of the PLP as well, are forever bemoaning the fact that we have so little connection with the south. It’s true that we need to take seats in Berkshire and Essex and so on to win a majority, but the Conservatives have a similar problem in the north that hardly anybody (apart from Tim Montgomerie) seems willing to talk about. Even a normally sensible fellow like Chris Mullin suggests in his diaries that Labour should elect a southern leader, or at least one who represents a southern constituency, but where did the last five Tory leaders represent? Witney, Folkestone, Chingford, Huntingdon and Finchley. It’s as if even crucial swing voters in the north and the Midlands are less important than their southern cousins, which is what you get if you let people from the Home Counties run everything.

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    • bobpiper says:
      October 20, 2011 at 12:01 am

      Southern leader? Blair, Miliband… both Southern leaders. I’d be happy if we elected a leader on the strength of Labour policies, rather than one who thinks its his or her job to make up the Labour policies.

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      • Johnthestudent says:
        October 20, 2011 at 11:09 am

        Blair was originally from County Durham wasn’t he? I heard he spent many a night drinking stout in the Miners Welfare after a gruelling day looking after some pit ponies.

        P.S. I have only been to the North-East once, but can confirm that it is still 1956 there.

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