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What level of turnout will make Davis' principled stand respectable? » Permalink | TrackBack (0)
David Davis resigned his seat to fight a by-election in order to raise the profile of the issue of 42-day detention. Until then the opinion polls had shown the majority of people surveyed were in favour of longer periods of detention for terrorist suspects. I happen to disagree with that view, as does Davis, clearly, and he has taken his 'principled stand' in order to endure the good people of Haltemprice and Howden can hear the arguments, and presumably give a ringing endorsement to the former Shadow Home Secretary's view.
Of course, Davis did a deal with Cleggy beforehand to ensure he wouldn't have any significant opposition before he took his principled stand, and Labour decided to take no part in what it regarded as a stunt which would prove nothing. All of which is likely to affect turnout. The 12% of those who voted for Labour in the constituency in 2005 are unlikely to give a ringing endorsement to a right-wing Tory such as Davis, although from the tone of many libertarian left bloggers there may well be some who do want to be seen to be supporting not Davis, but his opposition to 42 day detention. So, he might pick up a small proportion of those 6,000 votes.
Given the Cleggy deal to effectively give the Lib Dem backing to Davis however, it seems reasonable to suppose that many of the 17,000 plus Lib Dem voters from 2005 could be expected to throw their votes behind David Davis.
That leaves the nearly 23,000 voters who supported Davis in 2005. How they vote, or at least, in what numbers they vote, will surely be Davis' measure of how successful his principled stand has been in winning the argument. Of course, in by-elections we have to accept that turnout is usually lower anyway, and with a foregone conclusion for the result turnout may be even lower than that . But a low turnout, in what Davis has effectively tried to turn into a referendum on 42 day detention, could deliver a nasty slap in the face for Davis, and his Leader David Cameron. If he is unable to get at least the 22-23,000 to match the Tory figures of 2005, he can hardly claim a ringing endorsement. So, what level of support for David Davis would be respectable enough for him to claim at least a moral victory for his stand?
"Stupid bugger." This is from an elderly bloke making his way up the main drag in Howden, East Yorkshire, past the Pet Empawrium, past the White Horse pub, up towards the butcher's, dodging past the camera crews and reporters. Off to his left there's a haggard geezer with long sideburns in a red jumpsuit, handing out leaflets, lurching in the manner of someone who has spent too long in the White Horse.
This is one of those loonies, one of the 26 fringeish candidates standing in the Haltemprice & Howden by-election: it is Lord Biro, who represents the Church of the Militant Elvis. He is not the target of my interviewee's scorn, however. Nor is it the neat, plausible and mild David Pinder, who is accosting people on the other side of the road in the cause of the New party (no relation to Oswald Mosley's old New party of the 1930s).
No, the "stupid bugger" comment, like all the "stupid bugger" comments hereabouts, was directed at the man who was until recently the respected local Conservative MP - David Davis. You hear the phrase directed towards Davis from pretty much whoever you talk to in Howden: in the Co-op, the pine-clad snug of the Wellington hotel, the olde-worlde sweetie shop. I couldn't find a single person who agreed with Davis's "act of principle".
Update: Iain Dale has been rehearsing Friday's excuses in his comments box:
I have no idea what the turnout will be. I do know that 5,000 students who are on the electoral roll are not around and that a lot of people will be on holiday. I suspect 50% ought to be considered a good turnout, but it could be a lot lower. Haven't got a clue to be honest.
Thanks for your ringing endorsement of six weeks detention without charge and nebulous attack on the only person trying ot do anything about it.
How do your constituents feel about being banged up becaue they are the wrong colour or being obliged to lodge cash bonds if their relatives come over for weddings ? Good ?
newmania, your inability to read seems to be almost as big a deficiency as your ability to write. If you read the first paragraph again, slowly, and try to understand the words, you will see that far from a ringing endorsement of 42-day detention, I actually said I disagreed with it.
Are you by any chance dyslexic or is it just plain stupidity?
A sometime resident of Prague provokes a chuckle with the report 'Not much sign of any other party making a breakthrough' before warning that, in light of the weather, 'if DD gets 20,000 this Thursday he will have done magnificently'.
There's nothing wrong with a stunt that delivers the right message to the right people at the right time.
Now listen here you stupid bugger if you are reading this, you could do worse than support all convicted prisoners to be allowed the vote.
The way it is going with Labour dragging their heels on this, the Tories might be in power at the next election and will have to address it then anyway.
Many Liberal Democrat voters will go Green, as apparently within the party a large number were against the decision not to oppose Davis & will welcome a chance to vote against him. This may also be true of the Labour voters. I myself would vote Green if I were sure Davis would win with a large majority without my support, but I'd vote for him (if I lived there).
42 days, in my humble opinion, is one of the many issues on which the polls are next to worthless, as the same people who say they support it would probably be against it after a full, serious debate of the kind Davis has started (successfully in my view).
I support him. Which way the locals will go is all up in the air, as you have identified.
You should note that the blogosphere has been overwhelmingly supportive, & it seems young people are more libertarian than the old. This points to a more libertarian future.
I also think that a Labour opposition would develop a socially & civilly libertarian tendency, especially if Camoron does what he seems to be going towards & turns Daily Mail on us (see his latest wheeze, extending drug prohibition to khat, thus expanding a failed policy & sending out a vaguely racist dog whistle).
It's an open question where anti-42-day Labour voters and Lib Dem voters will place their "x" ... maybe they won't be able to vote Tory and they'll vote Green instead?
July 6, 2008 9:19 AM | permalink
Thanks for your ringing endorsement of six weeks detention without charge and nebulous attack on the only person trying ot do anything about it.
How do your constituents feel about being banged up becaue they are the wrong colour or being obliged to lodge cash bonds if their relatives come over for weddings ? Good ?