Bob Piper has been a Labour councillor for the Abbey
Ward in Sandwell, West Midlands, for eight years. He is a lifelong supporter of Aston Villa Football Club and a follower of Yorkshire County Cricket Club.
The views expressed here are mine in a personal capacity, not those of the Labour Party, Sandwell MBC, Aston Villa or Yorkshire County Cricket Club. Get it! Mine... just mine!
The alternative vote, as Polly Toynbee advocates, would be a welcome step towards real proportionality. But there is a current election where we can take half a step. On May 1, Londoners will mark a first and second vote for mayor. This means Greens and other progressives can express their true values, then use their second vote as insurance against the worst outcomes.
A "Sian 1, Ken 2" vote sends an unmistakably radical message, protects against the BNP claiming fourth-party status, and maximises the chance of averting a Boris Johnson victory.
Oddly enough the Green Party Polices are remarkably similar to the BNP`s in some ways ...well if you took either of them seriously .The heady elixir of pseudo science and romantic pastoralism is like a sterilised Fascist creed as in Germany where the same cultural yearnings turned green.
I do not expect anyone to think that deeply about it though. They will simply conclude the Greens are Marxists as they thought their propaganda can be viewed in that light . Ken`s enthusiasm for greenery is much less confusing when you make the link to the fascists and obviously the excuse for more power for him.
This greatly harms the green cause which is trying to disassociate itself from its �dogs on string� roots and will not help Ken , who is frankly finished .
newmania, over the last year you have made a nobhead of yourself on numerous occasions, but your assertion that the Green Party's policies are similar to the BNP is quite the most idiotic load of cobblers, even by your standards of illiterate stupidity.
By all means speculate on whether Livingstone will win or not, and if he does you will undoubtably have some lamebrained excuse, but everyone and his dog knows that the BNP's reason for living is to oppose asylum and immigration. On the other hand, the Greens are critical of the Government's hard line on... errm, immigration and asylum.
Make your silly points if you wish, people will just laugh at you, but for crying out loud stop making yourself look completely barking mad.
Whose are these polices then ?
1 Forbid the purchase of corner shops by migrants
2 Stop people from inner cities moving to the country side to protect traditional lifestyles
3 Grant British citizenship only to children born here
4 Boycott food grown by black farmer and subsidise food grown by whites
5 Restrict tourism and immigration from outside Europe
6 Prohibit embryo research
7 Stop Lorry movements on the Lord's day
8 Require state approval for a national sports steam to compete overseas
9 Disconnect Britain from the European electricity grid
10 Establish a 'New Order' between nations to resolve the world's economic crisis
They are from the Green Party's manifesto for a sustainable society or were adopted at last years Party conference in Liverpool .I can provide the precise equivalents from BNP literature and the parts of the Green Brigades texts to which I refer
Perhaps because I provide a souffle of wit and playfulness you have mistakenly underestimated me Bob ? I think you may have done the same thing with Boris so I will learn to live with it . As I say , I do not take either of these Parties seriously enough to very concerned at their bonkers dreaming but its an interesting point of comparison .If you say they make other contradictory remarks then I am utterly unsurprised. They are the proud possessors of goldfish brains .
In London Green activists look a lot like the sort of scruffy brainless oiks that pester honest working folk with placards saying SWP or Vote Ken or British Communalism. They are not the little old ladies who want to save seals you think they are and their ill digested stew of science and spiritualism is not entirely benign .
An alliance with Mugabe Livingstone is less of a surprise than you might assume then ..
I have neither the time, nor inclination to spend too much time here ridiculing newmania's rubbish spouted above, but if someone from the Green Party wants to do so you are welcome.
If Newmania cares to looks at his history he'll see the far right have always had a mish mash of policies, as they try to be all things to all (white) people. For instance, there is a fascist outfit in the US called the National Socialist Libertarian Green Party. The only thing they have in common with socialists, libertarians and greens are the same name and superficially similar policies. The same applies here. The BNP may well have socialist and green-sounding policy positions, but these will be implemented in the context of a fascist dictatorship, which is a million miles away from what socialists and greens stand for.
While we're on the topic of the BNP, there's some very very interesting news on my blog!
Of course, Newmania is utterly wrong, after all, the Green Party wouldn't possibly support, say for example, the prohibition of immigration to a specific area?
"MG204 Communities and regions should have the right to restrict inward migration when one or more of the following conditions are satisfied:
a)The ecology of the recipient area would be significantly adversely affected by in-comers to the detriment of the wider community (eg. National Parks, Antarctica);"
Oh dear. It seems that the Green Party DOES want to prevent immigrants settling within the boundaries of Dartmoor (A National Park consisting of 368 sq. miles).
Only certain people allowed to move to a specific area. That's that's nothing like a BNP policy, right?
You write that: "The alternative vote, as Polly Toynbee advocates, would be a welcome step towards real proportionality". Actually it would have the opposite effect.
Australia uses the alternative vote system and in practice this means that voters are forced to choose between one of the big main parties as the least worst choice. There is no third party presence (not has there ever been one) in the lower house and majorities in the Australian Parliament are more disproportionate than they are in the UK with first past the post.
Just for the record, Matthew, I didn't write that, Sian Berry did. as it happens, I'm opposed to the alternative vote system, but that wasn't the main point of the posting.
March 31, 2008 3:14 PM | permalink
Oddly enough the Green Party Polices are remarkably similar to the BNP`s in some ways ...well if you took either of them seriously .The heady elixir of pseudo science and romantic pastoralism is like a sterilised Fascist creed as in Germany where the same cultural yearnings turned green.
I do not expect anyone to think that deeply about it though. They will simply conclude the Greens are Marxists as they thought their propaganda can be viewed in that light . Ken`s enthusiasm for greenery is much less confusing when you make the link to the fascists and obviously the excuse for more power for him.
This greatly harms the green cause which is trying to disassociate itself from its �dogs on string� roots and will not help Ken , who is frankly finished .