I think the pro-European Conservatives are probably allowed to keep quiet about the whole thing, seeing as the party doesn't want to appear overly split on the issue.

Mind you, the number of pro-European Conservatives is probably dwindling quite fast.

Does it make you despair god no, not after new labour.

I hear to day disabled people in a council house might be thrown out because they refuse to work, now to me that means New Labour are again trying to be hard against the Tories this tit for tat politics will turn people off, it's turned me off. Atter 30 years in Labour.I've left, enough is enough no more toying about with silly words which are sound bites, Lets get down to the real problems of the UK.

A tory - I think you'd be surprised. What MPs say in opposition, and do in govenment don't often match... believe me... I know.

Robert... I quite agree with some of what you say, but... a return to the Tories? You cannot be serious?

Criticism of Labour from the Left is always for debating societies and no more. Why should people in Coucil houses not work if they can. The fact that Caroline Flint is "suprised " at the culture of indolence tells me all I need to know about her. Years of telling us we should be handing the money over we work hard for over and this is the first time she has looked at what we look at every day. This is what makes me despise the Labour Party.

On the threats levelled at the principled few Labour MPs who seem to care whether we have an accountable democracy in this country or not its a question of smoke and fire.
I suspect they will be under severe pressurre ,I also suspect that 'I want...' will not put up candidates as they are a cross Party organisation.( A mistake one assumes) and I suspect that the Labour MP knows that.This is just another threat then so in drawing attention to the tactics used against the few good men and women Dale is right.
Put this along side the attempts across Europe to quash resistance ,the Labour parties guillotining of debate and the offer of PR to the Lib Dems , and you have an attack on representative democracy
I would love Frank Field and Gisella Stuart to come over. I have admired them both for ages and especially Frank Field . What have you got now Mazola Milliband and assorted brown nosing zeros .

9% ahead in Populous .
Resquiat In Pace Brown

he expresses his faux amazement

Are you copying my style Bob?...what next ...soi disant

newmania, with your shocking grammar and spelling, I must confess I thought you were trying to write 'so distant'. I'm sure neither Frank Field nor Gisela Stuart would appreciate your vulgar disgusting offer.

A couple of years ago I had a most interesting exchange of emails with Gisela Stuart following an appearance of an article of hers in the Daily Telegraph. Quite why she is in the Labour Party at all remained a mystery. Frank Fields writing on Welfare has been the heart of Conservative thinking for ten years.

He was ,of course betrayed, by back benchers lead by one G brown