Bob Piper has been a Labour Councillor for the Abbey
Ward in Sandwell, West Midlands, for 10 years. He is a lifelong supporter of Aston Villa Football Club and a follower of Yorkshire County Cricket Club.
The views expressed here are mine in a personal capacity, not those of the Labour Party, Sandwell MBC, Aston Villa or Yorkshire County Cricket Club. Get it! Mine... just mine!
What a strange world we live in. Nick Clegg is asked on Radio 5 live whether he believes in God. He truthfully answers 'No' and we get Mike Smithson wringing his hands wondering how that will play with the voters (by which he probably means his wretched opinion polls) and Paul Linford expressing his 'concern as a Christian'.
Why on earth do Christians like Paul Linford have to be concerned about someone's private religious beliefs, or lack of them? Should I be concerned if Clegg is a meat eater? I just don't get it. If Clegg had just been elected Pope and declared he didn't believe in God then Christians might have cause for concern, but is Clegg's crime of being a non-believer going to influence his opinions on the Single European currency, devolution, or the war in Afghanistan? I don't think so. No matter how many times people tell me Blair's Iraq adventure was inspired by his religious faith, I don't believe a word of it.
Perhaps some people would be happier if he had gone on the radio and lied through his teeth and pretended he was a believer. Why, it might even have gone down better with the opinion poll respondents. Well, I'm no Liberal Democrat (in case you hadn't noticed) but Clegg was asked a question and answered truthfully, and good for him. You never know... it might catch on.
No Bob, I don't think he should have lied. I just prefer to vote for someone who knows their own limitations. Belief in a higher being and awarness of your own imperfection (or sin to use the Biblical term) is, for me personally, a part of that.
Nick Clegg saying he doesn't believe in God is hardly in the same league as Tony Blair saying that God told him to go to war in Iraq.
Religion is irrelevant unless you start telling everyone that it is influencing your politics one way or another, in my opinion.
newmania said:
December 20, 2007 10:44 AM | permalink
Yes quite I find this ridiculous pretence of Gordon Brown to have "deep" religious convictions as shallow as the rest of his hastily constructed persona.Clegg is shaping up nicely as an ineffectual academic , like Brown....
I agree. Better for him to be honest about his religious beliefs (or lack of them) rather than make a ridiculous pretence. It won't make me vote for him but I can respect his position
newmania said:
December 20, 2007 2:59 PM | permalink
Bob you have a vocabulary at the level of a thirteen year old, so spelling is hardly an issue .Your sentences are charmingly simple, and the whole experience is like being grunted at from the side of linguistically challenged taxi driver's mouth. I enjoyed this invigorating voyage into the Grammatical unknown though.....
"Ineffectual maybe but with that Grammar and spelling no chance."
Is this "Use of irony " ? Where will we go to find a pure unspoilt simpleton now ?
Leaving aside what I assume is your educational inferiority complex .I only mentioned that Gordon Brown has made a huge and fraudulent play about his religious convictions ...... that's all.
Anyway, I `m off to eat a pig and get drunk . Practice while I `m gone.....
Bob Piper said:
December 20, 2007 5:06 PM | permalink
Oh dear, I've obviously touched a newmania nerve again. I'll try not to embarrass you (too much) by reprinting some of your hilarious and ungrammatical comments in other places on the web, but, just as an example for your admiring public, you gave us this classic piece of newmaniaspeak over at Cassilis' site...
Not sure I agree about the orrible Blair although Ialways prefferred him to brown for straightforward poltical reasons . Did something on this myself actually
Do you really think I would have an inferiority complex to an ignoramus who cannot spell and boasts of having an English Literature degree? Get serious.
I was thinking of starting a 'newmaniaspeak' weekly competition where people could vote for your most hilarious piece of language abuse. I do hope mommy and daddy didn't waste money on a private education for this poor return.
Anthony Wright said:
December 20, 2007 6:28 PM | permalink
"No matter how many times people tell me Blair's Iraq adventure was inspired by his religious faith, I don't believe a word of it."
Why not? Blair obviously does, and the consequences of his self-delusion are all too painfully apparent.
When John Smith, a long standing member of the Christian Socialist Movement, became Labour leader in the 1990s, many, many aspirant Labour politicians found God.
Excuse me for being cynical but "beliveing in God" does not neccesarily on its own make someone better politician. Although I'd like to see more Christians in politics and, Bob, you in church one Sunday. My preaching engagements are on my website, you would be welcome.
Bob Piper said:
December 21, 2007 5:41 PM | permalink
Well, if I belived, Preacher, I would, but I don't so I won't.
Although I would like to say thank Christ newmania's buggered off. He's like that other Tory twerp Oakeshott who used to hang around here in the comments box. They linger like a bad smell and it doesn't matter how much you take the piss out of them they keep coming back for more. Skin like a rhino and a brainto match.
December 19, 2007 10:48 PM | permalink
Spot on Bob. Not sure I'd ever vote Lib Dem but anyone being honest enough to admit they are a non believer impresses the hell out of me.
I don't go to church. The vast majority of people don't. No one I know does. Why do politicians still have to pretend they are?