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Tonight at Full Council Sandwell Councillors were asked to support a resolution asking the Council to commemorate annually those victims of the nazi holocaust. The motion also recognised the sacrifices of the British forces who died fighting to liberate the nazi death camps. There were emotional speeches on the resolution including one from a Labour councillor whose grandmother was killed at Auschwitz - Birkenau, and a Conservative who broke down whilst recalling her visit to the camp.

We then had a fiasco of an amendment put forward by BNP holocaust denier Simon Smith (aka Steve Freedom) whose amendment, had it been carried would also have blamed the nazis for the deaths of Armenians, Iraqis, Iranians, White Christians and, most obscurely "the indigenous people of these islands". When the amendment only got the support of the three BNP members, they decided to abstain on the main resolution on Holocaust Memorial Day.

It will be interesting to see if the media, in particular the Express and Star newspaper, actually report this story because they appear to have a strange policy of not writing anything negative about the BNP.

Posted by bobpiper on April 24, 2007, 10:22 PM  |  view comments (16) or add another



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georgep said:
April 25, 2007 12:56 PM | permalink

Bob.
Don't hope the Express and Star will publish the story.
Ring them up and argue they should print it.
And don't badger reporters, ring up the bloody news editors giving them some choice quotes about the BNP not condeming the nazis.





Gary Elsby stoke said:
April 25, 2007 4:55 PM | permalink

Wouldn't that be because one of their owners funded Hitler as a shield from communism?




James said:
April 25, 2007 5:17 PM | permalink

While people such as Cristians, homosexuals and communists were vistims of the holocaust, I think it is important to remember that most were Jewish.

Out of interest, was this resolution put forward especially to bate the BNP before election time? Fair enough if it was but still a little sneaky.




Steven_L said:
April 25, 2007 7:36 PM | permalink

I think most sensible people just ignore the BNP Bob. Maybe you should try to do the same instead of publicising them.




Bob Piper said:
April 25, 2007 8:04 PM | permalink

James, no, it came about following an exchange on this blog when people expressed concern that we were not marking the day.

Stephen... that's what far too many people did in Germany. Try getting your head out of your arse and sniffing the air.




Steven_L said:
April 25, 2007 8:42 PM | permalink

How do you equate electing the Nazis to a two thirds majority in the Reinschtag with ignoring them? The Germans didn't ignore them, they voted for the party that promised to tell the allies where to stick their reparations and restrictions. Your logic is bizarre.

The BNP want to kick all the US air bases out of the country as well as the ethnics. Do you think the CIA see them as any sort of a threat?

I can see why working class people in inner cities vote for them though. Being white doesn't mean you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Now the police are toying with the idea of rejecting white candidates on ethnicity grounds. Initiatives such as this and high net immigration affect the poorest the most, if they feel that Labour has betrayed them they will turn to the National Socialists as their new home.




Bob Piper said:
April 25, 2007 10:51 PM | permalink

Yes... I think I get where you're coming from. On second thoughts... stick your head back.




Steven_L said:
April 25, 2007 11:05 PM | permalink

It's Labour that are sticking their head in the sand Bob. You say you're not 'New Labour', you say you want a 'fundamental and irreversible shift in the balance of power and wealth in favour of working people and their families.'

Browns 'growth comes before all else' Clinton-style Keynsian economic policies, coupled with middle-class inner-city liberals obession with 'diversity' and 'equality' are hanging poor young working class folk out to dry, white and black.




georgep said:
April 26, 2007 10:39 AM | permalink

Steven_L

Firstly, The nazis never won a two thirds majority in any German election or within the Reichstag itself. Hitler only came to power with the help of German conservatives.
I know for some people facts are something only to be used when convenient, but reading a little history about the subject you are pretend to know something about won't harm you.
After all I am sure you will ignore it if it contradicts anything you already know to be 'true.'
Secondly, your use of the BNP's new codeword 'ethnics' to describe people they can no longer publicaly call wogs, pakis,etc and your GCSE grasp of economics coupled with your obvious loathing of polices which treat people from different communities as equals shows, like a Dorian Gray portrait dressed in brownshirt and jack boots, your true self.




Dan said:
April 26, 2007 2:38 PM | permalink

Just out of interest Bob, as you threw down the gauntlet, were you happy enough with the Star's coverage on Wednesday?




Steven_L said:
April 26, 2007 7:05 PM | permalink

The BNP never invented the word 'ethnics'; just because they fly the Union Flag does that mean I am ill advised to?

I have no problem with treating people as equals in law. Positive discrimination is not treating people as equals though and affording each an equal opportunity. It is discriminating, just like Blacks who were discriminated against in the USA formed the Civil Rights Movement, whites who are discriminated against will form, or join, 'white rights' movements such as the BNP.

As for the 'race relations' industry, it is a gravy train for middles class do-gooders, paid for by the taxes of the working classes.

As for the economic side of things, my point is that the current governments economic policies discriminate against young people, the market imbalances in housing we are experiencing are doing more to create poverty for the young working classes than anything else is.




Bob Piper said:
April 26, 2007 10:25 PM | permalink

Dan... not bad, hidden away a bit, and didn't mention my contribution, but 6/10 for effort.

Steven... I couldn't put it better than George so I'll settle for agreeing with him, but just one point, whilst relative povery has increased i.e. the position of the rich against the poor, overall there is less poverty now that under the tories.




Gary Elsby stoke said:
April 27, 2007 11:24 AM | permalink

Steven's argument would be a good one but is unfortunately, fundamentally flawed.

'White rights' as he calls it were neither experienced in Nazi Germany and is most certainly not a consideration of the BNP today.

The simple facts are that Nazi's are historically linked to gassing jews (the BNP deny this took place. I have all the evidence to prove this) but in reality they interred men, women and children of all extraction.

Being German was no cause for safety.

The BNP, as the Nazi's openly discriminate against Trade Unions, religion and political parties and members.

Oswald Mosely was in the pay of the Italians and the Nazi Party, along with Lord's Beaverbrook and Northcliffe (who today own many local newspapers opposed to Labour).

Mosely was interred but protested his patriotism to the last, but the fact is he was being prepared as a 'quisling' to save the empire from a war.

The BNP use the same tactics today. Nothing outside of the Country has anything to do with us. This is very dangerous territory and was overwhelmingly denounced by Churchill and future PM's.

It is a myth that the BNP (Nazi's)only offer a selective type of discrimination against black and asian people. They don't; they will discriminate against anyone who opposes them.

For the record, I have put out the quote of this site: 'For a fundamental and irreversible shift..' etc via 30,000 leaflets in my ward for this election.I have also explained the holocaust denials of all BNP members.

Some of what Steven has said is quite correct but let us be in no doubt that the Nazi's used violence, intimidation and suppression to gain power and the BUF were traitors.

Today's BNP deny anything and everything.

Roll on May 3rd here in Abbey Green, Stoke-on-Trent. The BNP came for a fight, they got one, came mob handed and got another.I enjoyed it.




Steven_L said:
April 27, 2007 2:39 PM | permalink

'overall there is less poverty now that under the tories' (Bob Piper)

Not when you take into account the cost of housing for the young working classes. We are developing a situation of housing poverty.

Does anyone remember a story about a crowded island nation that once grew rich by innovating and building stuff that people wanted to buy. It got richer and richer and richer until it gave up innovating and building stuff that people wanted to buy. Then for a good few years it went on getting richer and richer and richer (or so it thought) by selling each other their houses and other property. Then Japan got the mother of all reality checks.

Gary Elsby - I agree with your analysis of what the BNP are - but not all of the people they persuade to vote for them are holocaust denying hate-mongers. Many are just people with genuine economic concerns that the mainstream would do well to address.




James said:
April 27, 2007 5:19 PM | permalink

I think this debate quite nicely sums up a big problem. The left always seem to be divided on seemingly inconsequential issues which breaks up their votes and allows the more right wing candidates in through the back door.

An example of this is France when Le Pen got through because all the left were divided up while there were only really two main right wing parties. It was similar in Wiemar Germany but with 42% of the votes the Nazis were only really going to triumph sooner or later.




Steven_L said:
April 27, 2007 6:45 PM | permalink

Who are you calling left? I'm a floating voter, but I won't be voting 'left' for to foreseeable future. I want this bunch out of office - pronto!





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